Toradora 19 - A Rant about Bad Writing (spoilers)

[Dave Baranyi]

Gawd - that was awful writing. Characters acting like idiots for no obvious
reasons, and plenty of "accidents" to drive the plot along. I absolutely
hate story writing like that! That's not drama, that's not romance, that's
not real life - that's crap writing!



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Okay, let's list the totally uninspired pieces of used toilet paper that
were substituted for a reasonable script:

Ryuuji calls Minori to ask her for the thousandth time to meet him at the
School Christmas party. There is no answer, and when the phone goes to voice
mail, suddenly Taiga starts shouting out as loud as a fire siren in the
background. Of course, this coincident will have an Effect later on.

Ryuuji and Taiga go to the Christmas Party and all of the students are
there, except for Minori. We see Minori wandering around looking totally
dejected as she goes home and changes in her pajamas. But we still don't
have any goddamned reason that she should be acting like that!

Taiga and Ami surprise everyone by singing an idol-style Christmas song.
(Okay, so the producers want to make more money off of the fans - fair
enough.) But afterwards Ami tells Ryuuji that Taiga has left to try to get
Minori to come to the party. Huh? Okay, Taiga is trying to be a "good girl
for Santa" and do good deeds.

But after visiting Minori and telling her to go to the Party Taiga decides
to go home to her apartment to "wait for Santa". Huh? Why The Fuck doesn't
Taiga go back to the party to spend time with Kitamura who is wearing Santa
pants and no shirt (for no fucking good reason at all).

Ryuuji ignores Ami's hints - no surprise there - and leaves the Party
himself. Next he suddenly appears in a giant teddy bear Santa suit to let
Taiga get a "visit from Santa" after all. (How was he able to find that suit
so easily? Yeah sure. okay, I'll accept that extra lame explanation.)

Taiga enjoys the "Teddy Santa" even though she knows that it is Ryuuji. But
then Taiga takes off the Teddy head and pushes Ryuuji out the door to meet
Minori at the Party. Then after Ryuuji leaves Taiga suddenly changes her
mind and starts to cry because she wants Ryuuji after all.

Huh????? When did Kitamura suddenly become yesterday's newspaper?

Now for the good part - Taiga runs out after Ryuuji, calling out his name.
Will the writers let her find him? Nah, there are too many episodes left. So
Taiga is left crying and wailing out Ryuuji's name in the street.

But wait - there is one more Totally Fabricated Coincidence left to be
slammed onto the heads of the audience - Minori JUST HAPPENS to be walking
past Taiga's apartment and hears Taiga wailing for Ryuuji.

OF FUCKING COURSE - Minori now goes to meet Ryuuji who is sitting outside
the school while still wearing the Teddy Suit. Minori pulls her cap over her
eyes, reminds Ryuuji about their discussion that past summer about "UFOs"
and "Ghosts", and says that she "still hasn't seen one", and then goes home.

At this point, Ryuuji has no fucking idea what is going on, but considering
all of the totally unbelievably crappy writing that has been foisted upon
everyone, that is the one thing that isn't surprising.

Okay, my point after all of this venting - the Writers didn't have to get to
this point in the story via such a brain-dead approach. They could have
written something where the characters didn't act like idiots and where
everything didn't have to depend upon coincidences. And they still could
have gotten to the same place.

There is no excuse for such lazy writing.

Dave Baranyi

[Robert Sneddon]

Post by Dave Baranyi
Gawd - that was awful writing. Characters acting like idiots for no obvious
reasons, and plenty of "accidents" to drive the plot along. I absolutely
hate story writing like that! That's not drama, that's not romance, that's
not real life - that's crap writing!

That's light novels for you. They're extruded literary product, written
fast and loose to while away a train journey in Japan, a commute, or
fifteen minutes in a coffee shop. A series that gains popularity gets
extended beyond its natural lifetime and the storyline is stretched to
the breaking point with sidebars and digressions, new characters, new
plotlines thrown in at random, anything that will keep the fans buying
the books once a month.

Making an anime like Tordaora! from its popular light novel series
requires that the anime storyline at least follows the book's plot, even
when the original material is incoherent and confused as Toradora! is.
The book fans want to see in the anime what they've already read in the
books, and whine endlessly when their favourite bits don't appear
because the anime writers are not able to put everything in and they're
working in a different medium with different storytelling rules (frex no
internal monologues if at all possible, as voiceovers are a drag whereas
light novels are full of such bulk texts as it's cheap and easy to
write).

As for this episode, well we knew that a train wreck was coming -- too
many players juggling hand-grenades and (to mangle a metaphor) somebody
was going to be left sitting on the sidewalk, crying their eyes out.

I doubt if you're going to drop Toradora! at this late date, so see you
next week Dave?

[Dave Baranyi]

Post by Robert Sneddon

Post by Dave Baranyi
Gawd - that was awful writing. Characters acting like idiots for no obvious
reasons, and plenty of "accidents" to drive the plot along. I absolutely
hate story writing like that! That's not drama, that's not romance, that's
not real life - that's crap writing!

That's light novels for you. They're extruded literary product, written
fast and loose to while away a train journey in Japan, a commute, or
fifteen minutes in a coffee shop. A series that gains popularity gets
extended beyond its natural lifetime and the storyline is stretched to
the breaking point with sidebars and digressions, new characters, new
plotlines thrown in at random, anything that will keep the fans buying
the books once a month.

That's why I don't read "light novels" or popular fiction in general. I am
reminded of the time, many years ago, when I was flying on a business trip
and the business woman sitting next to me pulled out a popular novel after
putting away the reports and spreadsheets that she had been reading. I
glanced at the pages of the novel and I was astounded to see that the novel
was written at around a grade-six level. The average letter count in the
words must have been around 5.

Post by Robert Sneddon
Making an anime like Tordaora! from its popular light novel series
requires that the anime storyline at least follows the book's plot, even
when the original material is incoherent and confused as Toradora! is.
The book fans want to see in the anime what they've already read in the
books, and whine endlessly when their favourite bits don't appear
because the anime writers are not able to put everything in and they're
working in a different medium with different storytelling rules (frex no
internal monologues if at all possible, as voiceovers are a drag whereas
light novels are full of such bulk texts as it's cheap and easy to
write).

One would think that the anime writers would take the opportunity to add
their own "voice" to a story while maintaining the general direction.

Post by Robert Sneddon
As for this episode, well we knew that a train wreck was coming -- too
many players juggling hand-grenades and (to mangle a metaphor) somebody
was going to be left sitting on the sidewalk, crying their eyes out.
I doubt if you're going to drop Toradora! at this late date, so see you
next week Dave?
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon

You are correct. At this point I'll stick it out. I usually watch one big
disappointment per season, and it appears that Toradora will be it this
season.

BTW - was it just my eyes, or did the character animation suffer a lot this
episode?

Dave Baranyi

[Captain Nerd]

Post by Dave Baranyi

Post by Robert Sneddon
As for this episode, well we knew that a train wreck was coming -- too
many players juggling hand-grenades and (to mangle a metaphor) somebody
was going to be left sitting on the sidewalk, crying their eyes out.
I doubt if you're going to drop Toradora! at this late date, so see you
next week Dave?
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon

You are correct. At this point I'll stick it out. I usually watch one big
disappointment per season, and it appears that Toradora will be it this
season.

I guess I have a high tolerance, because I didn't see the characters
acting that much more stupidly. I mean the basis for the story is
the two main characters and their dogged pursuit of unrequited love,
which is pretty stupid since they're ignoring what could be a much
more interesting relationship they could have with each other. Plus,
it's the "Christmas Episode" which they were probably contractually
required to make, so as to show off the singing talents of the seiyuu.

Post by Dave Baranyi
BTW - was it just my eyes, or did the character animation suffer a lot this
episode?

I think you're perception may have been colored somewhat ^=====^

That said, I think they spent most of the budget on The Song, and
took some short cuts here and there. I've noticed a distinct
difference between the action scenes (running, fighting, etc)
and the character interactions, the action is much rougher and
seems to be partially CGI'd. I thought the detail on Ami and
Taiga was much greater than on the other characters. All in all
I wasn't as upset as you were by this episode, and I'm not writing
the series off as a disappointment just yet.

Cap.

[Invid Fan]

Post by Robert Sneddon

Post by Dave Baranyi
Gawd - that was awful writing. Characters acting like idiots for no obvious
reasons, and plenty of "accidents" to drive the plot along. I absolutely
hate story writing like that! That's not drama, that's not romance, that's
not real life - that's crap writing!

That's light novels for you. They're extruded literary product, written
fast and loose to while away a train journey in Japan, a commute, or
fifteen minutes in a coffee shop. A series that gains popularity gets
extended beyond its natural lifetime and the storyline is stretched to
the breaking point with sidebars and digressions, new characters, new
plotlines thrown in at random, anything that will keep the fans buying
the books once a month.

Sounds like most longer amateur fiction online: the author likes a set
of characters and setting, and just keeps it going tossing in whatever
now interests him instead of ending it and starting a new story. The
"best" example I can think of is a 70+ chapter epic Castle in the Sand:
starts as an interesting story of a bitter loner who wins the lottery
and buys an abandoned missile silo to live in (who then rescues a teen
runaway) and ends up with psychic pre-teen twins, spy capers, and a
huge cast of women who fall for him :)

[Yaniv Tempelman]

Hello,

Okay, I understand that you've written a rant, but still, you're
exaggerating a bit too much ^^;

Post by Dave Baranyi
Gawd - that was awful writing. Characters acting like idiots for no obvious
reasons, and plenty of "accidents" to drive the plot along. I absolutely
hate story writing like that! That's not drama, that's not romance, that's
not real life - that's crap writing!

This kind of writing, with lots of forced coincidences and sudden
d(o)ramatic developments, is absolutetly normal in japanese life action
series for example. I wouldn't call it bad or lazy writing, it's rather
a standard approach for moralistic story telling. Japanese audiences are
expecting such plot advances where the main characters get what they
"deserve" for behaving like they did in the past.

Post by Dave Baranyi
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Ryuuji and Taiga go to the Christmas Party and all of the students are
there, except for Minori. We see Minori wandering around looking totally
dejected as she goes home and changes in her pajamas. But we still don't
have any goddamned reason that she should be acting like that!

She's depressed about the accident in episode 18 and, more importantly,
she feels like betraying Taiga if she's becoming more intimate with Ryûji.

Post by Dave Baranyi
Taiga and Ami surprise everyone by singing an idol-style Christmas song.
(Okay, so the producers want to make more money off of the fans - fair
enough.)

At least the song was nice enough and both Taiga and Ami looked quite
adorable with their Audrey Hepburn looks.

Post by Dave Baranyi
But afterwards Ami tells Ryuuji that Taiga has left to try to get
Minori to come to the party. Huh? Okay, Taiga is trying to be a "good girl
for Santa" and do good deeds.
But after visiting Minori and telling her to go to the Party Taiga decides
to go home to her apartment to "wait for Santa". Huh? Why The Fuck doesn't
Taiga go back to the party to spend time with Kitamura

Because she's not really in love with him anymore after all what
happened back in episode 16 between Kitamura and Sumire. There are
several hints in the past few episodes that she's now rather easy around
him instead of being ectremely nervous like she used to be before.

Post by Dave Baranyi
who is wearing Santa
pants and no shirt (for no fucking good reason at all).

That's easy: He's nuts. No deeper explanation needed.

Post by Dave Baranyi
Ryuuji ignores Ami's hints - no surprise there - and leaves the Party
himself. Next he suddenly appears in a giant teddy bear Santa suit to let
Taiga get a "visit from Santa" after all. (How was he able to find that suit
so easily? Yeah sure. okay, I'll accept that extra lame explanation.)

Look closely at the background during the party. You can spot someone
with the teddy bear suit. The forced part isn't how Ryûji was able to
get such a suit so easily in the first place but rather why a guy would
show up with such a ridiculous costume at christmas party whereas
everyone else is either in a fancy suit or in casual dress.

Post by Dave Baranyi
Taiga enjoys the "Teddy Santa" even though she knows that it is Ryuuji. But
then Taiga takes off the Teddy head and pushes Ryuuji out the door to meet
Minori at the Party. Then after Ryuuji leaves Taiga suddenly changes her
mind and starts to cry because she wants Ryuuji after all.
Huh????? When did Kitamura suddenly become yesterday's newspaper?

See explanation above.

Post by Dave Baranyi
Now for the good part - Taiga runs out after Ryuuji, calling out his name.
Will the writers let her find him? Nah, there are too many episodes left. So
Taiga is left crying and wailing out Ryuuji's name in the street.

Yeah, *that* was a typical d(o)rama moment. I've been expecting this
emotional outburst from her sooner or later.

Post by Dave Baranyi
But wait - there is one more Totally Fabricated Coincidence left to be
slammed onto the heads of the audience - Minori JUST HAPPENS to be walking
past Taiga's apartment and hears Taiga wailing for Ryuuji.

I agree, that was a forced coincidence. Why should Minori be around
Taigas apartment late at night in the first place?

[...]

Post by Dave Baranyi
Okay, my point after all of this venting - the Writers didn't have to get to
this point in the story via such a brain-dead approach. They could have
written something where the characters didn't act like idiots and where
everything didn't have to depend upon coincidences. And they still could
have gotten to the same place.

Well yes an no. In defense of the script writer(s): Hell, the main
characters are, after all, teenagers, and like I said, the storytelling
is typical for japanese life action series involving drama and romance.
This is no Shakespeare. This is romance-drama for teenagers and anime
geeks. You have too high expectations ^_^

Post by Dave Baranyi
Dave Baranyi

[Robert Sneddon]

Post by Yaniv Tempelman

Post by Dave Baranyi
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Look closely at the background during the party. You can spot someone
with the teddy bear suit. The forced part isn't how Ryûji was able to
get such a suit so easily in the first place but rather why a guy would
show up with such a ridiculous costume at christmas party whereas
everyone else is either in a fancy suit or in casual dress.

They're teenagers. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time (a
bit like the idol singer event and Kitamura's six-pack Santa outfit).
There's also post-exams euphoria going on as well, I think.

Post by Yaniv Tempelman

Post by Dave Baranyi
But wait - there is one more Totally Fabricated Coincidence left to
be slammed onto the heads of the audience - Minori JUST HAPPENS to be
walking past Taiga's apartment and hears Taiga wailing for Ryuuji.

I agree, that was a forced coincidence. Why should Minori be around
Taigas apartment late at night in the first place?

Remember who lives next door to Taiga? Now *that* is a forced
coincidence, but it occurred in episode 1 and it has been a major plot
driver ever since.

[Dave Baranyi]

Post by Yaniv Tempelman
Hello,
Okay, I understand that you've written a rant, but still, you're
exaggerating a bit too much ^^;

(Doing a lot of clipping)

Post by Yaniv Tempelman
Well yes an no. In defense of the script writer(s): Hell, the main
characters are, after all, teenagers, and like I said, the storytelling is
typical for japanese life action series involving drama and romance. This
is no Shakespeare. This is romance-drama for teenagers and anime geeks.
You have too high expectations ^_^

I thought about what you wrote, and I realized that you are correct - my
expectations are too high for Toradora.

I considered that maybe I should have the same sort of expectations for
Toradora that I have for other series, say for example, "Yatterman".

Then I watched episode 30 of Yatterman, and I enjoyed it a lot. Yes, my
expectations are lower, but then the writers and animators met my
expectations very well. Sure, its a kid's farce anime with a highly
structured format, but the creators of the series do exactly as expected,
and they do it very well.

I was also astounded at how high the production values are for Yatterman
currently - they are spending a lot of money from McDonalds, Takara and
others on this series and it shows.

At the end of it I was feeling very satisfied - I laughed a lot at the
ancient and deliberately repetitive jokes, I was pleased at the consistency,
and the dialog was as smart and snarky as ever.

So yeah, I'll "lower the bar" for Toradora, but even considering that it is
supposed to be a simple and unsophisticated romantic drama, I still believe
that the writers could do better with it.

Dave Baranyi

(Who won't go into the exercise of comparing the writing in Toradora to,
say, "Nodame Cantabile".)

[Massimo Sabbadini]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:28:35 +0100, Yaniv Tempelman

Post by Yaniv Tempelman
Hello,

Post by Dave Baranyi
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who is wearing Santa
pants and no shirt (for no fucking good reason at all).

That's easy: He's nuts. No deeper explanation needed.

He's an exhibisionist. We already saw this side of him at Ami's villa.

Post by Yaniv Tempelman

Post by Dave Baranyi
Now for the good part - Taiga runs out after Ryuuji, calling out his name.
Will the writers let her find him? Nah, there are too many episodes left. So
Taiga is left crying and wailing out Ryuuji's name in the street.

Yeah, *that* was a typical d(o)rama moment. I've been expecting this
emotional outburst from her sooner or later.

That was the only part of the episode that I didn't like. Just after
she pushed him towards Minorin, Taiga came to the realization that she
truly loved Ryuuji and didn't want to let go of him.
Couldn't you realize this _five minutes earlier_ ? Geez... -_-

Post by Yaniv Tempelman

Post by Dave Baranyi
But wait - there is one more Totally Fabricated Coincidence left to be
slammed onto the heads of the audience - Minori JUST HAPPENS to be walking
past Taiga's apartment and hears Taiga wailing for Ryuuji.

I agree, that was a forced coincidence. Why should Minori be around
Taigas apartment late at night in the first place?

That bit was explained in the novel, I've been told. Minorin wanted to
reconfirm Taiga's feeling before meeting with Ryuuji, that's why she
headed to her apartment.

Post by Yaniv Tempelman
This is no Shakespeare. This is romance-drama for teenagers and anime
geeks. You have too high expectations ^_^

My only gripe with Toradora is that IMHO the authors failed to build a
believable romantic attachment between Ryuuji and Taiga.
I agree with Ami that they behave rather like father and daughter (or
brother and sister) than a couple. They just feel too comfortable with
each other, there isn't the usual awkwardness that you feel when in
the presence of the person you like. There is no sexual tension, they
don't mind physical contact either.

That aside, Toradora is still one of the best romantic comedies to
come out in recent years IMHO.

[d***@gmail.com]

What this sounds to me is the prototypical "string of coincidences
that only can be workable with The Christmas Spirit of God (reg tm)"
routine.

Yep, lazy writing, AND cliched.

Mike

[AstroNerdBoy]

Your point about Minori is something I noted as well because I
couldn't figure out why she would be outside of Taiga's apartment.
For Minori to be there would mean walking away from the school, not to
it. Also, I didn't see a reason why Minori would visit Taiga in
person rather than call her.

Beyond that, I really didn't have any problems with this episode.
Just me though.

-ANB

--
AstroNerdBoy's Anime & Manga Blog
http://astronerdboy.blogspot.com

[sanjian]

Post by AstroNerdBoy
Your point about Minori is something I noted as well because I
couldn't figure out why she would be outside of Taiga's apartment.
For Minori to be there would mean walking away from the school, not to
it. Also, I didn't see a reason why Minori would visit Taiga in
person rather than call her.

There are some things you just have to do in person. Hell, I once waited
three months to confess to a girl, because I didn't want it to be over the
phone.

[AstroNerdBoy]

Post by AstroNerdBoy
Your point about Minori is something I noted as well because I
couldn't figure out why she would be outside of Taiga's apartment.
For Minori to be there would mean walking away from the school, not to
it.  Also, I didn't see a reason why Minori would visit Taiga in
person rather than call her.

There are some things you just have to do in person.  Hell, I once waited
three months to confess to a girl, because I didn't want it to be over the
phone.

Well, a confession is one thing. Minori wasn't going to confess to
Taiga. ^_~

Someone did tell me that in the source material (light novel), it is
very clear why Minori was at Taiga's house. Apparently, she decided
she needed to ask Taiga in person what her true feelings for Ryuuji
were before going to the school. In this light, I guess I can see the
value of a personal visit. Over the phone, you can't visually
determine if what one says matches their body language. With that
explanation, it does make sense that Minori would be there.

That said, Dave's point about bad writing comes into play. It is
clear that the anime writers expect the audience to be familiar with
the source materials and fill in the blanks. Throughout the series,
I've had people who've read the novels address certain of my
complaints by telling me how the anime adaptation drops bits here and
there, which had they been included would have made things clearer and
certainly flow better. That is a kind of bad, lazy writing that I
don't like, but which happens too often in anime.

-ANB

[Tank]

Some very good points noted in this thread, but what just struck me
after reading these posts is that everyone seems to be just giving up on
things, and that's what's irking me. Taiga gives up on Kitamura without
a second thought. Kitamura gives up on being the respectable student
council president and seems to have lost it. Ami gives up on Ryuji
despite her tenacious nature. Minorin gives up on love altogether and
Ryuji gives up on common sense. It's a school full of dumb teenagers.

Dave once mentioned that he was getting Honey and Clover vibes from the
show and at the time I thought he was way off base. Now, after ep.19,
I'm feeling the same frustration that I felt after watching the H&C cast
torpedo all of their relationships. The difference is that in H&C it
was expected, but that last Toradora episode felt like I was standing in
the middle of a house of cards as it all collapsed on top of me. Too
much coming out of the blue without some of the clever lead-ins that we
experience earlier in the series. Regardless of whether it follows the
light novels or not, I didn't get the same sense of polish that the show
exhibited earlier on. It just ended in a mess.

--Edwin E.

[sanjian]

Post by Tank
Some very good points noted in this thread, but what just struck me
after reading these posts is that everyone seems to be just giving up
on things, and that's what's irking me. Taiga gives up on Kitamura
without a second thought. Kitamura gives up on being the respectable

Who said she's given up on him? She's just being swayed by Ryuuji's
clulessness. On the other hand, I think it's better for her health that she
stick with Ryuuji.

Post by Tank
student council president and seems to have lost it. Ami gives up on
Ryuji despite her tenacious nature. Minorin gives up on love

I don't think she's given up. She's just trying to keep others from being
hurt in the process. Plus, I think she realizes she doesn't have much of a
chance. Which is a shame, because I really like RxA.

Post by Tank
altogether and Ryuji gives up on common sense. It's a school full of
dumb teenagers.

Go figure?

Post by Tank
Dave once mentioned that he was getting Honey and Clover vibes from
the show and at the time I thought he was way off base. Now, after
ep.19, I'm feeling the same frustration that I felt after watching
the H&C cast torpedo all of their relationships. The difference is

Just realignment. If anyone had any doubt that it was going to be RxT, from
the very beginning, I will be forced to confiscate their Otaku ID card. In
the end, that is the real failing of anime, in general.

Post by Tank
that in H&C it was expected, but that last Toradora episode felt like
I was standing in the middle of a house of cards as it all collapsed
on top of me. Too much coming out of the blue without some of the

Maybe you should have been paying more attention, then. There's nothing
surprising about what has gone on here. And, no, I haven't read the novels.
I'm going into this with no more knowledge than you are.

Post by Tank
clever lead-ins that we experience earlier in the series. Regardless
of whether it follows the light novels or not, I didn't get the same
sense of polish that the show exhibited earlier on. It just ended in
a mess.

I didn't need to light novels to tell me. I figured, either Taiga's house
was on the way (my sense of anime geography has always been on the level of
Ryouga), or she was going specifically to talk to Taiga.

Baka Minorin. Trying not to be "selfish" anymore.

[z***@gmail.com]

my problem with this show so far is the stupidity with the characters and the amount of things tht dont make sense is just making me lose my mind
they were suppose to help each other but didnt make any progress on they crushes
everyone seems like they babysitting taiga lmao... she cant do a single thing herself but has a monolouge on how she doesnt need anybody??? still with her parents money??? lmao
and then this dude does anything she says and getting verbally abused constantly and falls in love with her??? in wht in the blue blazes am i watching lmao like taiga and the MC dont even have anything in common
homie calls his mom a child but does everything for taiga and takes care of taiga??? i cant take this show seriously
my guy acts like hes taiga's dad and taiga acts like a spoiled brat and doesnt change thru out the series...taiga also does everything for herself and no one else
like how do they fall in love here im just missing the point?? the relationship they have one doesnt make sense and two isnt healthy lmao
like this cant be enjoyable unless you are some hardcore anime fan or something cause nothing makes sense in the show

[a***@bell.net]

Post by z***@gmail.com
my problem with this show so far is the stupidity with the characters and the amount of things tht dont make sense is just making me lose my mind
they were suppose to help each other but didnt make any progress on they crushes
everyone seems like they babysitting taiga lmao... she cant do a single thing herself but has a monolouge on how she doesnt need anybody??? still with her parents money??? lmao
and then this dude does anything she says and getting verbally abused constantly and falls in love with her??? in wht in the blue blazes am i watching lmao like taiga and the MC dont even have anything in common
homie calls his mom a child but does everything for taiga and takes care of taiga??? i cant take this show seriously
my guy acts like hes taiga's dad and taiga acts like a spoiled brat and doesnt change thru out the series...taiga also does everything for herself and no one else
like how do they fall in love here im just missing the point?? the relationship they have one doesnt make sense and two isnt healthy lmao
like this cant be enjoyable unless you are some hardcore anime fan or something cause nothing makes sense in the show

Hi - It's odd seeing a 10 year old thread come to life again. I guess that you are just discovering the series. I haven't thought of it for years, other than to remember how the opening animation got me inspired to talk my wife into buying thigh highs so that I could watch her pull them on in the morning... lol (It was well worth it - my wife has great legs!)

Good luck with it.

Dave Baranyi