[Rurouni Kenshin] List of Edits: The Man Who is Chosen for Victory

[Kyle Thomas Pope]

You might want to grab a beer and settle in. This is a long one.

Rurouni Kenshin 60: The Man Who is Chosen for Victory

1) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's body as he collapses after
attacking Shishio.

2) Not an Edit... Blood left on Kenshin as he recovers his breath.

3) Sanosuke's "What's going on here?" as flames erupt throughout the
compound cut.

4) Shot of Shishio's face as he steps forth against Kenshin replaced
with a close-up of his sword hand.

5) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's face as he watches Shishio.

6) Not an Edit... Blood left on Kenshin's back as Shishio awaits him.

7) Scene of Kenshin pulling himself to his feet with his sword
shortened while blood was digitally removed from his back.

8) Shot of bloody Kenshin cut from sequence of Kenshin and Shishio
facing each other down.

9) Camera sweep from Sanosuke's bloody face, across the sky and
ultimately to Kenshin and Shishio squaring off cut.

10) Split screen shot of Kenshin and Shishio's faces as they launch
themselves at each other cut.

11) Blood digitally removed from Shishio's face as he tracks Kenshin's
incoming attack.

12) Close-up of Shishio's bloody face as he locks swords with Kenshin
cut.

13) Blood again digitally removed from Shishio's face.

14) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's back as he completes the
first stage of his attack.

15) Quick shots of Shishio and Yumi's faces as Shishio realizes he's
being pulled toward Kenshin cut.

16) Blood once again digitally removed from Shishio's face as he's
dragged towards Kenshin.

17) Not an Edit... Blood left on Shishio's face as Kenshin's attack
connects.

18) Shot of Shishio vomiting blood as he flies through the air cut.

19) Shot of Kenshin falling to his knees as Shishio falls to earth
behind him cut.

20) Blood digitally removed from Sanosuke's face as he smiles at
Kenshin's success.

21) Blood stains digitally removed from Saitou's bandages as he
watches Shishio after Kenshin's attack.

22) Shot of Shishio starting to spasm cut.

23) Shot of Kenshin pulling himself to his feet as Shishio has his
seizure cut.

24) Shot of white-eyed Shishio frothing at the mouth cut.

25) Blood digitally removed from Sanosuke's face as he watches
Shishio's agony.

26) Not an Edit... Blood left on Kenshin's face as Yumi throws herself
between Kenshin and Shishio.

27) Blood removed from Kenshin's back as Yumi kneels between Kenshin
and Shishio.

28) Shot of Shishio's face grimacing in determination behind Yumi as
she begs for his life cut.

29) Blood digitally removed from Shishio's face as he tells Kenshin
that he's too soft.

30) Shot of Shishio ramming his sword through Yumi and into Kenshin's
gut then withdrawing his blade cut.

31) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's body as he falls.

32) Spray of blood digitally removed as Yumi falls into Shishio's
arms.

33) Pan up Yumi's body showing blood pulsing from her wound cut.

34) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's body and bleeding belly
wound as he forces himself back up.

35) Blood and wound digitally removed from Yumi's body as Shishio
cradles her.

36) Not an Edit... Blood left on Sanosuke as he looks on the scene in
horror.

37) Not an Edit... Blood left on Saitou's wounds as he watches Kenshin
and Shishio.

38) Not an Edit... Blood stain left on Yumi's kimono as she takes
Shishio's hand.

39) Yumi's "...one step ahead of you in Hell" changed to "...one step
ahead of you in Hades".

40) Not an Edit... Blood and wound left on Yumi as she dies.

41) Shot of Kenshin's belly wound spraying blood past his hand after
he admonishes Shishio cut.

42) Blood digitally removed from Yumi and Shishio's faces as Shishio
lays her down and prepares to resume the battle.

43) Expanding pool of blood digitally removed from beneath Kenshin as
he lay on the ground cut.

44) Not an Edit... Blood left on Kenshin's face as he glares at
Shishio.

45) Long cut... Shots of Sanosuke, Saitou, Aoshi et al watching as
Kenshin and Shishio attempt to recover enough to stand cut.

46) Shot of bloody face of Shishio breathing heavily and frothing at
the mouth replaced with panning shot of the battle area.

47) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's back as Shishio stands over
him.

48) Shot of Kenshin lying in his own blood before rolling over onto
his back cut.

49) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's body as he turns on his
back.

50) Blood on and around Kenshin's body as he lies recovering on the
ground digitally painted brown.

51) Not an Edit... Blood around Kenshin's hand as he grasps his sword
left red.

52) Red lines digitally removed from negative image of Kenshin rising
to meet Shishio's attack.

53) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's body as he challenges
Shishio.

54) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin and Shishio's faces as they
resume battle.

55) Close-up of Kenshin blocking Shishio's blow cut.

56) Long cut... Shot of Shishio bursting into flame and thrashing in
agony as everyone looks on in shock cut.

57) Shot of Kenshin standing and watching Shishio's body consume
itself in fire cut.

58) Shot of Yumi's body amidst the flames as Shishio dies cut.

59) Shot of Shishio starting to laugh maniacally as he burns cut.

60) Shot of Yumi and Shishio's charred remains in the courtyard cut.

61) Blood digitally removed from Kenshin's body and hand as he picks
up Yumi's pocket watch.

62) Blood digitally removed from Sanosuke as he approaches and
congratulates Kenshin.

63) Not an Edit... Blood left on Kenshin's face and neck as he looks
at Yumi's pocket watch.

64) Shot of Sanosuke's bloody face before Houji freaks out cut.

65) Blood digitally removed from Sanosuke and Kenshin as Houji throws
off his coat.

66) Shot of Kenshin being shoved into Sanosuke by Houji as he runs by
cut.

67) Blood drops falling around Kenshin's dropped sword digitally
removed.

68) Blood digitally removed from Sanosuke and Kenshin as Sanosuke
holds Kenshin up after the battle.

69) Sanosuke's "Damn it!" changed to "Darn it" as he punches the gate.

70) Blood stains and blood spray digitally removed from Saitou's
thighs after he shatters the gate with his gatotsu.

71) Shot of Sanosuke's bloody face after Saitou tells them to go cut.

72) Blood digitally removed from Saitou's shoulder wound as he surveys
Shishio's burning fortress.

73) Pan down from Sanosuke's bloody face to Kenshin's face as Kenshin
regains consciousness cut.


If the inconsistencies with the blood edits weren't bad enough the
complete deletion of the scenes of Yumi and Shishio's deaths will
leave anyone who hadn't seen the series before completely confused as
to just how the battle ended.

-----
Kyle Pope

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Ah, a post from Kyle Thomas Pope. As God intended.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
If the inconsistencies with the blood edits weren't bad enough the
complete deletion of the scenes of Yumi and Shishio's deaths will
leave anyone who hadn't seen the series before completely confused as
to just how the battle ended.

How much shorter was the TV episode than the DVD episode? Do you know?

-Matt/Pickle/Jew-Pac

[James Marshall]

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
You might want to grab a beer and settle in. This is a long one.
Rurouni Kenshin 60: The Man Who is Chosen for Victory
3) Sanosuke's "What's going on here?" as flames erupt throughout the
compound cut.

Time cut? It's not like he used bad language there.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
4) Shot of Shishio's face as he steps forth against Kenshin replaced
with a close-up of his sword hand.

To avoid showing a bloody face? I'm trying to think of why they wouldn't
show his face at that point and that's all I can guess, it was bloody
and rather than edit out the blood they just eliminated that shot.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
9) Camera sweep from Sanosuke's bloody face, across the sky and
ultimately to Kenshin and Shishio squaring off cut.

Is this a time cut or an easy way to get around showing their bloody
faces -- don't show them instead of having to edit off all the blood?

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
10) Split screen shot of Kenshin and Shishio's faces as they launch
themselves at each other cut.

I'm starting to think these cuts are to avoid showing blood that they'd
have to edit out and cutting the shot is easier than removing the blood.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
12) Close-up of Shishio's bloody face as he locks swords with Kenshin
cut.

Ditto, so I'm going to stop commenting on edits that I suspect are done
for this reason.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
28) Shot of Shishio's face grimacing in determination behind Yumi as
she begs for his life cut.

Huh. Probably to avoid blood again, but that seems like a shot that would
have given a little bit more reason for what he did to her afterwards.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
30) Shot of Shishio ramming his sword through Yumi and into Kenshin's
gut then withdrawing his blade cut.

That wasn't shown? Huh, my mind must have just filled it in then because
it was obvious to me that he stabbed Yumi. I'm not sure I realized that
he hit Kenshin, too, though.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
38) Not an Edit... Blood stain left on Yumi's kimono as she takes
Shishio's hand.

Well, OK, given what they're doing that probably should have been removed,
yes, but without that it could have been even harder to tell that she
was stabbed. I'm pretty sure I got it at the point above, but the blood
stain is confirmation. Without that it would seem pretty weird, I think.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
39) Yumi's "...one step ahead of you in Hell" changed to "...one step
ahead of you in Hades".

Eh, another one of those word changes. I think they've been fairly
consistent with Hell -> Hades though and I think the same general
meaning is there.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
45) Long cut... Shots of Sanosuke, Saitou, Aoshi et al watching as
Kenshin and Shishio attempt to recover enough to stand cut.

Long cut -- for time or to avoid showing blood again? Probably the latter.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
50) Blood on and around Kenshin's body as he lies recovering on the
ground digitally painted brown.

Painted brown instead of removed? Huh, that's a little odd. I guess it
could be dried blood that wouldn't look really red anymore. :)

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
52) Red lines digitally removed from negative image of Kenshin rising
to meet Shishio's attack.

Are these supposed to be lines of blood then? Having not seen the original
I'm not sure what those actually are.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
56) Long cut... Shot of Shishio bursting into flame and thrashing in
agony as everyone looks on in shock cut.

Well, that kind of makes sense. They probably can't get away with showing
a man burning alive on TV. It was pretty clear to me that this did happen
though so I guess they left enough in there for me to get it without the
actual view of it.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
58) Shot of Yumi's body amidst the flames as Shishio dies cut.

So she was burned along with Shishio? That I didn't pick up on.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
59) Shot of Shishio starting to laugh maniacally as he burns cut.

Wasn't he laughing though? Maybe it was a different scene or I'm just
remembering it wrong.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
60) Shot of Yumi and Shishio's charred remains in the courtyard cut.

*nod* I kind of assumed that Shishio died from being burned alive and
that Yumi was dead from before, but I didn't realize that she was burned
in the fire that consumed Shishio.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
66) Shot of Kenshin being shoved into Sanosuke by Houji as he runs by
cut.

To avoid showing bloody bodies and faces again? There doesn't seem much
other reason to not show one person shoving another.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
70) Blood stains and blood spray digitally removed from Saitou's
thighs after he shatters the gate with his gatotsu.

Ah, that's why they showed his legs/knees afterwards then. I figured
they showed it for a reason, but without the blood I didn't realize
that he basically reinjured himself.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
73) Pan down from Sanosuke's bloody face to Kenshin's face as Kenshin
regains consciousness cut.

*whistle* A total of 73 edits, that's an awful lot. Longest list we've
had so far for Kenshin?

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
If the inconsistencies with the blood edits weren't bad enough

Agreed. My biggest complaint with edits is not that they make them, I
know they have to, but that they make them inconsistently. Either
remove the blood all the time or don't remove it at all, don't do it
sometimes and not others.

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
the complete deletion of the scenes of Yumi and Shishio's deaths will
leave anyone who hadn't seen the series before completely confused as
to just how the battle ended.

Hmm. Well, speaking as someone who's never seen the series before, I
was figuring that Yumi died from Shishio's sword stab and that Shishio
ended up dying when his body erupted into flames, burning him alive.
That seems to be the case so even with the heavy editing, I was able to
get most of the idea. What I didn't get though was that Yumi ended up
being burned with Shishio. I don't remember seeing anything that would
have clued me in to that part of things.
Man, I'm so tempted to buy the DVDs, all 22 (right?) of them, even
though it would set me back like $600 or so because so much of the show's
impact is being lost in the edits. I still get the general meaning most
of the time, but I know it's not having the same effect. They take out
so many things that add to the emotional punch of the scenes that it's
no longer like a powerful punch, but a weak slap. I would like to see
this uncut someday, but we'll have to see if I can get or make the chance
to do so.

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Post by James Marshall
Hmm. Well, speaking as someone who's never seen the series before, I
was figuring that Yumi died from Shishio's sword stab and that Shishio
ended up dying when his body erupted into flames, burning him alive.
That seems to be the case so even with the heavy editing, I was able to
get most of the idea. What I didn't get though was that Yumi ended up
being burned with Shishio. I don't remember seeing anything that would
have clued me in to that part of things.
Man, I'm so tempted to buy the DVDs, all 22 (right?) of them, even
though it would set me back like $600 or so because so much of the show's
impact is being lost in the edits. I still get the general meaning most
of the time, but I know it's not having the same effect. They take out
so many things that add to the emotional punch of the scenes that it's
no longer like a powerful punch, but a weak slap. I would like to see
this uncut someday, but we'll have to see if I can get or make the chance
to do so.

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Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
If the inconsistencies with the blood edits weren't bad enough the
complete deletion of the scenes of Yumi and Shishio's deaths will
leave anyone who hadn't seen the series before completely confused as
to just how the battle ended.

Actually, Kyle, I had some idea of this two weeks before this ep aired (and
I haven't seen RK before it's current run on CN) -- with Shishio's
inability to shed heat, it would have been only a matter of time before he
immolated himself. His fight with Kenshin only acclerated the process.

I also gathered that Yumi died trying to protect Shishio (althought Shishio
was the one who killed her), but I had no idea how -- I thought that
Shishio merely slashed her across the back (based on her beaded necklace
flying apart after Shishio's attack), not impaled her to strike at Kenshin.

Besides, didn't Houji make a comment about the process of Shishio's demise
while the latter was making an ash of himself? </me ducks and runs>

[Robert Oliver]

Post by Glenn Shaw

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
If the inconsistencies with the blood edits weren't bad enough the
complete deletion of the scenes of Yumi and Shishio's deaths will
leave anyone who hadn't seen the series before completely confused as
to just how the battle ended.

Actually, Kyle, I had some idea of this two weeks before this ep aired (and
I haven't seen RK before it's current run on CN) -- with Shishio's
inability to shed heat, it would have been only a matter of time before he
immolated himself. His fight with Kenshin only acclerated the process.

Not really. We don't sweat to cool the body, but to cool
the blood supply to the brain. The brain can't tolerate
anything but a minor temperature increase without suffering
damage. Shishio's brain would have cooked long before
"spontaneous human combustion", which is pretty much
bunk, could have occurred.

In truth it isn't the opposable thumb or the oversize brain
that sets us apart from other mammals. Humans are the only
mammals that sweat. Canines have an analogous cooling
mechanism - panting and that long snout filled with blood
vessels. That's why dogs can run rabbits to death.

[Super Mukki]

Post by Robert Oliver
In truth it isn't the opposable thumb or the oversize brain
that sets us apart from other mammals. Humans are the only
mammals that sweat. Canines have an analogous cooling
mechanism - panting and that long snout filled with blood
vessels. That's why dogs can run rabbits to death.

Horses sweat, and I think pigs do too.
------------
Mukki

[Antonio E. Gonzalez]

Date: 10/7/2003 10:33 PM Pacific Standard Time

Post by Robert Oliver
In truth it isn't the opposable thumb or the oversize brain
that sets us apart from other mammals. Humans are the only
mammals that sweat. Canines have an analogous cooling
mechanism - panting and that long snout filled with blood
vessels. That's why dogs can run rabbits to death.

Horses sweat, and I think pigs do too.

Pigs roll in mud to cool; the horse thing just doesn't sound right . . .


- Vaughner

"I'm married. Go hit on your sister."
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[Super Mukki]

Post by Antonio E. Gonzalez
Pigs roll in mud to cool; the horse thing just doesn't sound right . . .

No, no, horses sweat. I have some good friends who ride horses. Trust me on
this one ;)
------------
Mukki

[Antonio E. Gonzalez]

Date: 10/8/2003 9:44 PM Pacific Standard Time

Post by Antonio E. Gonzalez
Pigs roll in mud to cool; the horse thing just doesn't sound right . . .

No, no, horses sweat. I have some good friends who ride horses. Trust me on
this one ;)

Ok . . .

You know, in a way, all mammal species "sweat": The mammary glands are
actually modified sweat glands!


- Vaughner

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Post by Super Mukki

Post by Antonio E. Gonzalez
Pigs roll in mud to cool; the horse thing just doesn't sound right . . .

No, no, horses sweat. I have some good friends who ride horses. Trust me on
this one ;)

And I've worked with harness-racing horses at one job, so I can back
that one up.

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Howdy!

Post by Antonio E. Gonzalez

Date: 10/7/2003 10:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Horses sweat, and I think pigs do too.

Pigs roll in mud to cool; the horse thing just doesn't sound right . . .

Obviously you've never brushed down a sweaty horse ...

Complete with lather due to the sweat.

RwP

[5parrow]

Post by Super Mukki

Post by Robert Oliver
In truth it isn't the opposable thumb or the oversize brain
that sets us apart from other mammals. Humans are the only
mammals that sweat. Canines have an analogous cooling
mechanism - panting and that long snout filled with blood
vessels. That's why dogs can run rabbits to death.

Horses sweat, and I think pigs do too.

IIRC pigs don't. That's why they roll in mud: it keeps them relatively
cool in hot weather.

- 5parrow

[tito]

Post by 5parrow

Post by Super Mukki

Post by Robert Oliver
In truth it isn't the opposable thumb or the oversize brain
that sets us apart from other mammals. Humans are the only
mammals that sweat. Canines have an analogous cooling
mechanism - panting and that long snout filled with blood
vessels. That's why dogs can run rabbits to death.

Horses sweat, and I think pigs do too.

IIRC pigs don't. That's why they roll in mud: it keeps them relatively
cool in hot weather.

Hippos also, if they can't find enough water. A lot of animals (like
pigs) would simply prefer water to mud, but mud has the bonus of
stciking to you and drying, creating a nice heat and bugbite shield in
a hot summer. And you don't have to be in the water all day.

Panting saves water and is useful for birds and mammals, but has a
respitory debt. Sweat is useful when you can't really do that and
aren't as conerned with water loss.

Post by 5parrow
- 5parrow

[tito]

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:30:48 GMT, Robert Oliver

Post by Robert Oliver

Post by Glenn Shaw

Post by Kyle Thomas Pope
If the inconsistencies with the blood edits weren't bad enough the
complete deletion of the scenes of Yumi and Shishio's deaths will
leave anyone who hadn't seen the series before completely confused as
to just how the battle ended.

Actually, Kyle, I had some idea of this two weeks before this ep aired (and
I haven't seen RK before it's current run on CN) -- with Shishio's
inability to shed heat, it would have been only a matter of time before he
immolated himself. His fight with Kenshin only acclerated the process.

Not really. We don't sweat to cool the body, but to cool
the blood supply to the brain. The brain can't tolerate
anything but a minor temperature increase without suffering
damage. Shishio's brain would have cooked long before
"spontaneous human combustion", which is pretty much
bunk, could have occurred.
In truth it isn't the opposable thumb or the oversize brain
that sets us apart from other mammals. Humans are the only
mammals that sweat. Canines have an analogous cooling
mechanism - panting and that long snout filled with blood
vessels. That's why dogs can run rabbits to death.

....come again? So what does a horse do? With some minor exceptions,
mammals either pant OR sweat mainly.

Dogs only sweat thru their paws, minorly. So panting.

Some desert rats don't do EITHER, but that's a special water saving
situation.

[Dave Millwater, RMF]

----------

Post by Robert Oliver
In truth it isn't the opposable thumb or the oversize brain
that sets us apart from other mammals. Humans are the only
mammals that sweat. Canines have an analogous cooling
mechanism - panting and that long snout filled with blood
vessels. That's why dogs can run rabbits to death.

Whoops! Just caught this bit... Humans are the only mammals that sweat?
Not a farm-boy are you?

Horses sweat. Horses sweat a lot. Just like people... They get dripping
wet in the summer down here in Dixie. They'll get wet under the saddle when
worked in the winter... Hence the expression "Rode hard and put-up wet."


-DAVE.



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Prophet's Thumb Ranch
North Carolina
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Damn.
They really went crazy on this one, huh?

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