A response by Akira Toriyama is asked

[M***@web.de]

Idiot numbnuts letherman, THE STUPID, had to prove that Kal-El had ever defeated Goku.

Oh wait, he could never do this, even if he were not an idiot, because there is no evidence.

The authors of this sense- and brainless stupid video (DEATH BATTLE! - Goku VS Superman) are not from DCU or DBU.

DC authors and Akira Toriyama know who's stronger. It's not Kal-El.

As long as AT does not contradict, there are several possibilities as Goku can kill Kal-El in a GOOD DeathBattle.

The fight can not take place in the DBU, since prevailing there other laws of nature and how our Universe, it is nonsense that a normal natural born life being permanently on other Planet, like, get any supernatural abilities under different sun. Kal-El would be only the second Suppaman.

In DCU megalomania ingenious theories are allowed and thus there the DeathBattle possible.

Goku has a Magical Staff (no magical cock, letherman) it owns magical energy (5:57)! How else would it be possible that it can expand without being thin?
Since Kal-El is not invulnerable to magic, a beat to his head smash his Skull (21:44).

And several times Goku has evolved from Magic Beans feeds (18:44) and would thus magical traces have in themselves.

When depleted, but then still he has in himself the magical power of the magic crystal balls, the Dragon Balls, thus absorbed (28:11), and for always as his son Gohan will now be home to be magical. With beam its reinforced and magical energy (17:22) Kal-El would be dead.

If AT contradicts, and Goku has no magical power and can fulfill any wishes, his Combat power does not exceed 1 billion, Goku maybe against the moronic tricked Kal-El no Chance in the DCU .

If it is, is Kal-El repeatedly on lost items by magical attacks and wishes against him.

And Goku's Telekinesis power is observed which can penetrate all matter, even Kal-El 's bioelectrical magnetic aura that is permeable to food, air and solar radiation, Kal-El might otherwise not feed through food or sunlight, or breath, smell, see, hear?, touch and not even intervene by super breath, visions, noise, etc.

It is absolutely to accept the Feeble-Minded Goku in a Death Battle not its full combat power would put on life and death just because he was never allowed this before in the entertainment media for children not to fast to win, outside the very weak ones to the audience not to bored.

When Kal-El has the right to destroy the earth to gain what he never could before, Goku then has the right to do what he can do what he has not done before, show was allowed to disassemble the opponent on an atomic basis with Telekinetic force.

Chao-Zu vs Krillin at just 138 combat power

dragonballwiki.de/images/0­/07/Chao-Zu_Telekinese.jpg

Goku vs Frieza at just combat power 8,000,000 .

imageshack.us/a/img856/618­4/gokusupersayaingokutelem.jpg

It would be a misconception of the DCians Goku just caress Kal-El at combat power 1,000,000,000 (letherman's dream).

img.photobucket.com/al­bums/v479/mrfuc/superman-1-1/.jpg

What he was not allowed in the children's program, it may show in a GOOD DeathBattle and is desired.

And since the Death Battle takes place in the DCU and all megalomania ingenious theories are allowed, has Goku, because he is not from planet earth, also additional supernatural abilities and thus the Speed Force.

And thus Kal-El and Flash superior 1,000,000,000 times.

Only Wonder Woman, because as fast as Hermes (God), inferior.

Why is she inferior in DCU ?

Because she wears heels intentionally.

Ever so go?

Would she use flat soles, Kal-El and Co would never get one up again.

And this will in no case idiot numbnuts letherman, THE STUPID.

[Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers]

***@web.de wrote:
...

Dude, you seriously need to get a life.

cu
59cobalt

[M***@web.de]

Post by Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.
cu
59cobalt

Dude, I can't. My upbringing compels me to answer comments from people who can not read.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Post by M***@web.de

Post by Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.
cu
59cobalt

Dude, I can't. My upbringing compels me to answer comments from people who can not read.

You got something of a set of cojones claiming people can't read when
you are unable to write your argument coherently in the language at
hand. Perhaps you're more articulate in your native language (from the
.de at the end of your address, German?), but in English your longer
rants are nigh-incomprehensible.

You have even more balls to claim that the only reason people disagree
with you is that they can't read, rather than that they have a different
interpretation of the *EXTREMELY* subjective subject, and material,
you're ranting about. Because, make no mistake, it IS subjective, not
objective. You cannot *prove* anything in this context; the closest
possible "proof" would be if both DC and Akira Toriyama got together and
produced a comic in which the two characters fought each other. But even
then, the *vast* likelihood is that it would be "fight to a standstill"
because neither Bird Studios and its associated entities, nor DC, would
like to see their flagship character beaten.

If one of them WAS shown to win, it would almost certainly be Superman,
because (A) Toriyama is a huge Superman fanboy and would give the older
character precedence, and (B) the Japanese are more likely to honor you
by allowing you such precedence.

Your whole rant -- as much as I can make out of it -- is also amusing
because it focuses on one of the least-impressive arguments
(telekinesis) while ignoring the single most powerful argument you can
make for Goku and against Supes, at least accepting your basic premise:
If Goku is *fused* with the Dragonballs, *HE IS A MAGICAL OBJECT*, which
means Superman has no particular defenses against him (magic being
explicitly one of his main weaknesses). The Death Battle approach even
pointed out this weakness when Goku started smacking Supes with his staff.

[M***@web.de]

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Post by M***@web.de

Post by Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.

Dude, I can't. My upbringing compels me to answer comments from people who can not read.

You got something of a set of cojones claiming people can't read

Try again what I wrote: A response by Akira Toriyama is asked

Not from people they tells me what I have to do with my life.

Thanks.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

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Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

Post by M***@web.de

Post by Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.

Dude, I can't. My upbringing compels me to answer comments from people who can not read.

You got something of a set of cojones claiming people can't read

Try again what I wrote: A response by Akira Toriyama is asked

Are you under the incredible delusion that Akira Toriyama is actually
reading USENET???

I'm not sure he even knows it exists. If he does, I'm SURE he has
vastly more important things to do with his time than answer fanboys
"Who'd Win" questions.

[Brian]

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Are you under the incredible delusion that Akira Toriyama is

actually

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
reading USENET???
I'm not sure he even knows it exists. If he does, I'm SURE he has
vastly more important things to do with his time than answer fanboys
"Who'd Win" questions.

If he did read usenet, I bet his response, once he stopped laughing,
would be something like: "Dragonball is something I drew a lot of years
ago that made me some good money, but what do I care what somebody puts
in to a 'fan-animation'." At least I assume it made him some good money,
and perhaps royalties are still coming in.

If whatever DC artist/artists are currently drawing the Superman comics
read this, I bet their reponses would be similar.

Brian Christiansen

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Are you under the incredible delusion that Akira Toriyama is

actually

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
reading USENET???
I'm not sure he even knows it exists. If he does, I'm SURE he has
vastly more important things to do with his time than answer fanboys
"Who'd Win" questions.

If he did read usenet, I bet his response, once he stopped laughing,
would be something like: "Dragonball is something I drew a lot of years
ago that made me some good money, but what do I care what somebody puts
in to a 'fan-animation'." At least I assume it made him some good money,
and perhaps royalties are still coming in.

No "perhaps" about it. Dragonball Kai revived the whole franchise.

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
If whatever DC artist/artists are currently drawing the Superman comics
read this, I bet their reponses would be similar.

They'd have to consult the lawyers first, I think.

[M***@web.de]

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Are you under the incredible delusion that Akira Toriyama is actually
reading USENET???
I'm not sure he even knows it exists. If he does, I'm SURE he has
vastly more important things to do with his time than answer fanboys
"Who'd Win" questions.

No. I think it exist enough people who know him and maybe someone heard of my petition to stop the fan-war Kal-El vs. Goku with true facts of him.

Not with facts of friends and fanboys of the the both characters.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Post by M***@web.de

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Are you under the incredible delusion that Akira Toriyama is actually
reading USENET???
I'm not sure he even knows it exists. If he does, I'm SURE he has
vastly more important things to do with his time than answer fanboys
"Who'd Win" questions.

No. I think it exist enough people who know him and maybe someone heard of my petition

If you're posting on Usenet, no one's hearing you except fans, really.
And if you think Toriyama would do more than laugh at you, you're deluded.

[M***@web.de]

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
If you're posting on Usenet, no one's hearing you except fans, really.
And if you think Toriyama would do more than laugh at you, you're deluded.

Akira lives of fans. Maybe it eventually reached my request. And when he laughs at me, he has me in mind, and one day he philosophized about the question as to which form Goku is inferior to what Kal-El, or winner?

I hope these thoughts on games of Akira.

If he is not up to the challenge, I regret it.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

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Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
If you're posting on Usenet, no one's hearing you except fans, really.
And if you think Toriyama would do more than laugh at you, you're deluded.

Akira lives of fans.

I think you mean "lives off of".

Speaking as someone who is a published author and makes money at that
job, you may be confusing "lives off of fans' money" and "depends on a
particular fan's opinion".

All authors, producers, artists, mangaka, etc., make their living (or
at least some money) from a large number of people opting to spend their
entertainment dollars on their particular product rather than somebody
else's.

But for that to be worth their time, the number *does* have to be
large. For even a moderate success, that number's in the several
thousands of purchases per product. For a major success, like
Dragonball, it's MILLIONS of purchases per product, with aggregate sales
in the hundreds of millions.

What that means is that any individual purchaser is generally
irrelevant. One, or even ten, more or less won't be noticed.

So whether a creator will interact with a particular fan depends on
several things:

1) Is there something very special about THAT PARTICULAR fan (i.e., I'm
a hell of a lot more likely to respond in-depth and at length -- to a
fan letter from Sir Ian McKellen or Akira Toriyama or David Tennant than
I am to spend a lot of time on something from a random fan whose name I
don't know. Well, not me personally -- I'm still a mid-lister so I don't
get so much fanmail that I can't respond to it all, yet. But if I were
at Toriyama's level, this would be a major issue; if he spent his time
answering, even with very short notes, all the fanmail he got, he'd
never get any work done)

2) Is the query itself of interest? If it's a new question, or at least
an insightful variation on an old question, it's much more worth
responding to than another repetition of the same dozen questions all
artists/authors get asked.

3) Is the contact done politely, literately, and in a non-demanding
fashion?

4) Is there any actual point in responding?

Unless you have some fame, somewhere, that I've never heard of, you
fail on #1. "Who'd win" usually fails on #2; it's a question that's
purely a matter of opinion, and asking a Japanese of his generation to
give an answer that would sound like bragging (my character's more
powerful than theirs!) is a difficult thing at best, and of course it's
an old, old, old question. Your posts HERE have generally failed on #3,
though I can't judge what you might have sent to Toriyama-sensei. And I
can't see that answering the question has any point for Toriyama -- he
has no particular stake in making you feel good or bad about your
opinion -- so it would seem to me that it also fails on #4.


In short -- don't hold your breath.

[M***@web.de]

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

Post by M***@web.de
Akira lives of fans.

I think you mean "lives off of".

Akira lebt von Fans.

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
For a major success, like Dragonball, it's MILLIONS of purchases per product,
with aggregate sales in the hundreds of millions.

That is my hope. The more people, the higher the probability that Akira gets to hear my plea.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Post by M***@web.de
That is my hope. The more people, the higher the probability that Akira gets to hear my plea.

Um, no, see, it doesn't work that way. The more people read Toriyama's
stuff, the more fan letters he has to ignore because he doesn't have time.

If he was read by a few thousand people, he'd get maybe two or three
letters a day, and he could read them all.

Read by a few million people, he may be getting THOUSANDS of letters
per day. Of which yours is just one tiny voice, and not even a
particularly distinctive one (you cannot actually believe you're the
only person to ask if Goku could beat up Superman), thus exceedingly
unlikely to be read, and if read, unlikely to ever be responded to.

[M***@web.de]

Post by M***@web.de
That is my hope. The more people, the higher the probability that Akira gets to hear my plea.

I mean really listen. Do not read in a fan letter. I hope that he someday somewhere appearance, will meet with fans, possibly times are autographs, talking to fans, and hear my plea. Possible way it laughs, but still someday all Kal-El's takes apart with various Goku or not.

[Bobbie Sellers]

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Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

Post by M***@web.de

Post by Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.

Dude, I can't. My upbringing compels me to answer comments from people who can not read.

You got something of a set of cojones claiming people can't read

Try again what I wrote: A response by Akira Toriyama is asked
Not from people they tells me what I have to do with my life.
Thanks.

You might try digging up his address and hiring a translator to put
your request into Japanese, but you are wasting your time here on
Usenet looking for a reply from Toruyama-san.

bliss

[M***@web.de]

Post by Bobbie Sellers
You might try digging up his address and hiring a translator to put
your request into Japanese, but you are wasting your time here on
Usenet looking for a reply from Toruyama-san.
bliss

Thanks. I did.

[M***@web.de]

Am Dienstag, 3. September 2013 13:00:35 UTC+2 schrieb Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor):


Akira Toriyame made the presentation, I count just the facts together.

To confirm things, or discard, are not "believers", but writers of importance.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Post by M***@web.de
Akira Toriyame made the presentation, I count just the facts together.
To confirm things, or discard, are not "believers", but writers of importance.

With twelve books either published or under contract (with a real
publisher), I'm sure I'm a writer of more importance than you.

[M***@web.de]

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

Post by M***@web.de
Akira Toriyame made the presentation, I count just the facts together.
To confirm things, or discard, are not "believers", but writers of importance.

With twelve books either published or under contract (with a real
publisher), I'm sure I'm a writer of more importance than you.

Good for you. I wrote songs, stories, comics, screenplays, etc.

And I mean authors of Kal-El or Dragon Ball like Akira Toriyame.
Not you or me.

[Gerardo Campos]

On 09/02/2013 08:58 AM, ***@web.de wrote:
<snip>

Mondevana, it is a cartoon made for entertainment purposes, from
fictional characters.

If you did not like the result, collect the dragon balls, wish Goku life
back and then make your own video with the results you would like to see.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Post by Gerardo Campos
<snip>
Mondevana, it is a cartoon made for entertainment purposes, from
fictional characters.
If you did not like the result, collect the dragon balls, wish Goku life
back and then make your own video with the results you would like to see.

Or just make your own video, no need for the Dragonballs. Nothing stops
you from doing that on your own. Except maybe hoping someone else will
validate your obsession by doing it for you.

Me, I think the guys did a good job with it. I could argue the outcome
either way, but Superman winning in a hard-fought battle works for me.

[M***@web.de]

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Or just make your own video, no need for the Dragonballs. Nothing stops
you from doing that on your own. Except maybe hoping someone else will
validate your obsession by doing it for you.

I hope so. I have no time for that.

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Me, I think the guys did a good job with it. I could argue the outcome
either way, but Superman winning in a hard-fought battle works for me.

If people would not have made so many mistakes, I would not ask for a GOOD DeathBattle.

[Stainless Steel Rat]

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Me, I think the guys did a good job with it. I could argue the outcome
either way, but Superman winning in a hard-fought battle works for me.

Agreed. Both characters are walking Deuses ex Machina. They can do pretty
well anything and everything demanded by the plot. One of the primary
reasons for Crisis was to erase all of that and reset Superman to
something approximating his original: fast, strong, tough.

I'm amused by Mondevana's use of the DB power rating system. The ENTIRE
POINT of "over 9000!" (or 8000 or whatever) is to demonstrate that trying
to assign a power rating to a being of effectively infinite capacity is
impossible. It's stupid. It doesn't work. Superman and Goku are each as
strong as they need to be.

[M***@web.de]

Post by Stainless Steel Rat
I'm amused by Mondevana's use of the DB power rating system. The ENTIRE
POINT of "over 9000!" (or 8000 or whatever) is to demonstrate that trying
to assign a power rating to a being of effectively infinite capacity is
impossible. It's stupid. It doesn't work. Superman and Goku are each as
strong as they need to be.

It's stupid to give Kal-El a DB Power Level. I didn't.

It's stupid to say Superman and Goku are each as strong as they need to be.

[Stainless Steel Rat]

Post by M***@web.de
It's stupid to say Superman and Goku are each as strong as they need to be.

Yet that's precisely how their respective authors have written them.
They're always up to whatever challenges they face. Any defeats they
suffer are merely temporary setbacks; at the end of the day (or the story)
they are both victorious. They really are as strong as they need to be.

Battles between two characters who are by definition unbeatable will
always be a stalemate. Neither can win, nor can either lose. If you really
must have a victor and you want it to be a fair victory then you have to
take a step back from the mechanics and look at their characters, look at
how they're written, the whys and hows that their respective authors make
them unbeatable. Draw your comparisons from that.

It's not about power. It's about character.

[M***@web.de]

Post by Gerardo Campos
Mondevana, it is a cartoon made for entertainment purposes, from
fictional characters.
If you did not like the result, collect the dragon balls, wish Goku life
back and then make your own video with the results you would like to see.

Gerardo Campos, I know it is a cartoon made for entertainment purposes, from

fictional characters.

But you have problems to unterstand that. Try you to collect the dragon balls, wish Goku life back (a clue, at the end I see just a bloodless shoe) and then make our all own video with the results we all would like to see.

[Gerardo Campos]

On 09/02/2013 10:11 PM, ***@web.de wrote:
<snip>

Post by M***@web.de
Gerardo Campos, I know it is a cartoon made for entertainment purposes, from
fictional characters.
But you have problems to unterstand that. Try you to collect the dragon balls, wish Goku life back (a clue, at the end I see just a bloodless shoe) and then make our all own video with the results we all would like to see.

No thanks. I am happy with the entertainment that Wiz and Boomstick
provided. And for me, is time to move on.

[a***@gmail.com]

Post by M***@web.de
Idiot numbnuts letherman, THE STUPID, had to prove that Kal-El had ever defeated Goku.
Oh wait, he could never do this, even if he were not an idiot, because there is no evidence.
The authors of this sense- and brainless stupid video (DEATH BATTLE! - Goku VS Superman) are not from DCU or DBU.
DC authors and Akira Toriyama know who's stronger. It's not Kal-El.
As long as AT does not contradict, there are several possibilities as Goku can kill Kal-El in a GOOD DeathBattle.
The fight can not take place in the DBU, since prevailing there other laws of nature and how our Universe, it is nonsense that a normal natural born life being permanently on other Planet, like, get any supernatural abilities under different sun. Kal-El would be only the second Suppaman.
In DCU megalomania ingenious theories are allowed and thus there the DeathBattle possible.
Goku has a Magical Staff (no magical cock, letherman) it owns magical energy (5:57)! How else would it be possible that it can expand without being thin?
Since Kal-El is not invulnerable to magic, a beat to his head smash his Skull (21:44).
And several times Goku has evolved from Magic Beans feeds (18:44) and would thus magical traces have in themselves.
When depleted, but then still he has in himself the magical power of the magic crystal balls, the Dragon Balls, thus absorbed (28:11), and for always as his son Gohan will now be home to be magical. With beam its reinforced and magical energy (17:22) Kal-El would be dead.
If AT contradicts, and Goku has no magical power and can fulfill any wishes, his Combat power does not exceed 1 billion, Goku maybe against the moronic tricked Kal-El no Chance in the DCU .
If it is, is Kal-El repeatedly on lost items by magical attacks and wishes against him.
And Goku's Telekinesis power is observed which can penetrate all matter, even Kal-El 's bioelectrical magnetic aura that is permeable to food, air and solar radiation, Kal-El might otherwise not feed through food or sunlight, or breath, smell, see, hear?, touch and not even intervene by super breath, visions, noise, etc.
It is absolutely to accept the Feeble-Minded Goku in a Death Battle not its full combat power would put on life and death just because he was never allowed this before in the entertainment media for children not to fast to win, outside the very weak ones to the audience not to bored.
When Kal-El has the right to destroy the earth to gain what he never could before, Goku then has the right to do what he can do what he has not done before, show was allowed to disassemble the opponent on an atomic basis with Telekinetic force.
Chao-Zu vs Krillin at just 138 combat power
dragonballwiki.de/images/0­/07/Chao-Zu_Telekinese.jpg
Goku vs Frieza at just combat power 8,000,000 .
imageshack.us/a/img856/618­4/gokusupersayaingokutelem.jpg
It would be a misconception of the DCians Goku just caress Kal-El at combat power 1,000,000,000 (letherman's dream).
img.photobucket.com/al­bums/v479/mrfuc/superman-1-1/.jpg
What he was not allowed in the children's program, it may show in a GOOD DeathBattle and is desired.
And since the Death Battle takes place in the DCU and all megalomania ingenious theories are allowed, has Goku, because he is not from planet earth, also additional supernatural abilities and thus the Speed Force.
And thus Kal-El and Flash superior 1,000,000,000 times.
Only Wonder Woman, because as fast as Hermes (God), inferior.
Why is she inferior in DCU ?
Because she wears heels intentionally.
Ever so go?
Would she use flat soles, Kal-El and Co would never get one up again.
And this will in no case idiot numbnuts letherman, THE STUPID.

FACT: Superman beat Goku easily.

[d***@hotmail.com]

<snip>

Look, man, I appreciate the work you put in proving that Goku is somehow de facto stronger than Superman when the actual answer is "depends on who the writer is and what the stakes are".

The way I see it, there are scenarios in which Superman can plausibly win the first fight when neither one knows each other's strengths, weaknesses, or fighting styles, but Goku for sure would win the rematch. But since neither is the type to go for a kill or hold grudges, it'll evolve into a friendly rivalry. Then cue happy-go-lucky buddy comedy. (Vegeta would be so jealous.)

My more detailed breakdown, if you care to read on:

Sparring for fun and/or charity in a crossover event drawn by Toriyama or DC's artists? Neither of them would go all out, since they'd spend the first episode (or so) testing the waters. My guess is Toriyama would have Goku job the fight eventually because he wouldn't mind giving Superman the props. (Then cue training montage wherein Goku pulls out new powers out the wazoo and wins the rematch.)

A more dramatic crossover in which one is tricked into thinking the other person is the bad guy? Supes gets the edge here, because Goku has a bad habit of not taking his initial fights seriously but Supes has had years of going for the win at the first punch. (Then cue training montage and etc.) But the fight would probably not end up in deathmatch territory because they'll figure out that neither one of them are actually evil and instead team up and then they radiate so much collective awesome that the universe's villains surrender on sight.

Super dramatic "What If" comic if one of them is a real threat to the existence of the whatever? The antagonist eventually loses, period; whomever's in the "face" role gets new powers as the plot demands (after the obligatory training montage), while whomever's in the "heel" role gets their hands glued to the Idiot Ball. But I still don't see this going to deathmatch territory, because both of our heroes are extremely loathe to use fatal force (and of course neither side would want their flagship characters to die). I still see this ending in Super Awesome Tagteam Friendship eventually.

Fanmade video in which one side or another gives their favorite hero the win because they like the guy better? Well, then, obviously, whomever writer is a fan of wins. And if Goku loses to the point of death, so what? Death is even cheaper in the DBZ world compared to that of DC's. He'll spend a few moments in the afterlife analyzing where the fight went wrong, get resurrected, and grind a few more levels of hax via, you guessed it, training montage, then proceeds to lay down some Friendship via Superior Firepower.

-Dot
...come to think of it, I think the one person Goku would actually lose to in the long run might be Nanoha
...and the rest of the fictional universe, for that manner
...calling it now, Nanoha befriends the everliving hell out of EVERYTHING

[c***@gmail.com]

Superman is vastly superior to Goku when it comes to strength. Goku's strongest form is still 416.25 times weaker than Superman's base. If you add sundipping then the Saiyan is 2500x weaker then the Man of Steel. That's a 2500x edge to Superman for one category.

Durability
In the end, durability is another thing that Superman trumps Goku in. A base (no sundip) Superman can, at the very minimum, survive 10 octillion megatons. Goku, with the power level factoring of 1,000,000,000 and his Super Saiyan multipliers, still only falls in at 21.2 septillion.

That's 471.70 times weaker than Superman's minimum.

Speed
Superman (supercharged) can travel 92.4 quadrillion miles per hour or 137.8 million times the speed of light.

That means Superman is 33.97 times faster than Goku when both are at max power.

And before anyone says it, no, Instant Transmission does not count as speed. It's teleportation, plain and simple. Goku can't actually fight in Instant Tranmission. The only time he's ever done that was with Cooler, who was also using it. If he could fight in it with normal foes, don't you think he would have done that to Cell, Buu, Baby, Super 17, or Omega?


Superman: 3

Goku: 0

Now stfu retard

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Superman is just a bucket,to say that he is limitless is stupid because just like a bucket,superanman is a vessel that can only take in soo much power(radiation) hence....he is not limitless #GOKUFOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Superman is weak to magic but not so weak that he's basically a human , this is why black Adam lost to superman this is also why Dr fate can't fuck with superman , shazam zatana etc

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Idiot numbnuts letherman, THE STUPID, had to prove that Kal-El had ever defeated Goku.
Oh wait, he could never do this, even if he were not an idiot, because there is no evidence.
The authors of this sense- and brainless stupid video (DEATH BATTLE! - Goku VS Superman) are not from DCU or DBU.
DC authors and Akira Toriyama know who's stronger. It's not Kal-El.
As long as AT does not contradict, there are several possibilities as Goku can kill Kal-El in a GOOD DeathBattle.
The fight can not take place in the DBU, since prevailing there other laws of nature and how our Universe, it is nonsense that a normal natural born life being permanently on other Planet, like, get any supernatural abilities under different sun. Kal-El would be only the second Suppaman.
In DCU megalomania ingenious theories are allowed and thus there the DeathBattle possible.
Goku has a Magical Staff (no magical cock, letherman) it owns magical energy (5:57)! How else would it be possible that it can expand without being thin?
Since Kal-El is not invulnerable to magic, a beat to his head smash his Skull (21:44).
And several times Goku has evolved from Magic Beans feeds (18:44) and would thus magical traces have in themselves.
When depleted, but then still he has in himself the magical power of the magic crystal balls, the Dragon Balls, thus absorbed (28:11), and for always as his son Gohan will now be home to be magical. With beam its reinforced and magical energy (17:22) Kal-El would be dead.
If AT contradicts, and Goku has no magical power and can fulfill any wishes, his Combat power does not exceed 1 billion, Goku maybe against the moronic tricked Kal-El no Chance in the DCU .
If it is, is Kal-El repeatedly on lost items by magical attacks and wishes against him.
And Goku's Telekinesis power is observed which can penetrate all matter, even Kal-El 's bioelectrical magnetic aura that is permeable to food, air and solar radiation, Kal-El might otherwise not feed through food or sunlight, or breath, smell, see, hear?, touch and not even intervene by super breath, visions, noise, etc.
It is absolutely to accept the Feeble-Minded Goku in a Death Battle not its full combat power would put on life and death just because he was never allowed this before in the entertainment media for children not to fast to win, outside the very weak ones to the audience not to bored.
When Kal-El has the right to destroy the earth to gain what he never could before, Goku then has the right to do what he can do what he has not done before, show was allowed to disassemble the opponent on an atomic basis with Telekinetic force.
Chao-Zu vs Krillin at just 138 combat power
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Goku vs Frieza at just combat power 8,000,000 .
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It would be a misconception of the DCians Goku just caress Kal-El at combat power 1,000,000,000 (letherman's dream).
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What he was not allowed in the children's program, it may show in a GOOD DeathBattle and is desired.
And since the Death Battle takes place in the DCU and all megalomania ingenious theories are allowed, has Goku, because he is not from planet earth, also additional supernatural abilities and thus the Speed Force.
And thus Kal-El and Flash superior 1,000,000,000 times.
Only Wonder Woman, because as fast as Hermes (God), inferior.
Why is she inferior in DCU ?
Because she wears heels intentionally.
Ever so go?
Would she use flat soles, Kal-El and Co would never get one up again.
And this will in no case idiot numbnuts letherman, THE STUPID.

db wankers crying cuz goku is just underdog against superman (confirmed by akira)